Any logger alternatives to CANcaseXL log?

Discussion:

Martin S.Torch

2005-11-28 15:23:00 UTC

Hello people,

I like the ease of use of Vector CANcaseXL log but missing features
there for logging purposes. Do you know any good alternative to this
product with similar/better capabilities? I cannot find one on the
market. For me and people to who i forward it is the feature list and
ease of use most important, on second place the logging capacity
(512MB/1GB++). It should be for CAN, but LIN is welcome as well.

Martin

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H.-J. Oertel

2005-11-28 18:39:13 UTC

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Post by Martin S.Torch
Hello people,
I like the ease of use of Vector CANcaseXL log but missing features
there for logging purposes. Do you know any good alternative to this
product with similar/better capabilities? I cannot find one on the
market. For me and people to who i forward it is the feature list and
ease of use most important, on second place the logging capacity
(512MB/1GB++). It should be for CAN, but LIN is welcome as well.
Martin

Difficult.
But if an PC (or Laptop) with an GB++ hard disk can be an option :-)

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Martin S. Torch

2005-11-28 19:06:07 UTC

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I fear not, than i need CAN interface and good logging application and I still have this problems:
- price (I have CANcaseLog for price of noname laptop!)
- size
- performance (slow reaction triggering on PC)
- power consumption

anyway thank You for hint :-)

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Difficult.
But if an PC (or Laptop) with an GB++ hard disk can be an option :-)

Jim DeVore

2005-11-29 00:12:50 UTC

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Martin-

I don't know your budget or capacity requirements, but have you looked
at this company?

http://www.kvaser.com/

-Jim

Post by Martin S. Torch
I fear not, than i need CAN interface and good logging application and
- price (I have CANcaseLog for price of noname laptop!)
- size
- performance (slow reaction triggering on PC)
- power consumption
anyway thank You for hint :-)

Post by Martin S. Torch
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 7:39 PM

Subject: Re: [CANLIST] Any logger alternatives to CANcaseXL log?

Post by Martin S. Torch
Hello people,
I like the ease of use of Vector CANcaseXL log but missing features
there for logging purposes. Do you know any good alternative to this
product with similar/better capabilities? I cannot find one on the
market. For me and people to who i forward it is the feature list and
ease of use most important, on second place the logging capacity
(512MB/1GB++). It should be for CAN, but LIN is welcome as well.
Martin

Difficult.
But if an PC (or Laptop) with an GB++ hard disk can be an option :-)

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Martin S.Torch

2005-11-29 14:08:09 UTC

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Dear Jim.
I looked at their Memorator some months ago, but it have much less
features, only one channel (only CAN too), no replaceable piggies, and
so on.
Price might be better, that is not so important.
Capacity of CANcaseLog is enough so far 2 GB (4 maybe one day?), but
some features missing to be satisfied. Of course more is better.
I can find some much more expensive loggers, but they are not easy to
use and costs way too much.
Any idea is welcome!
Martin

Post by Jim DeVore
Martin-
I don't know your budget or capacity requirements, but have you looked
at this company?
http://www.kvaser.com/
-Jim

Post by Martin S. Torch
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 7:39 PM

Subject: Re: [CANLIST] Any logger alternatives to CANcaseXL log?

Post by Martin S. Torch
Hello people,
I like the ease of use of Vector CANcaseXL log but missing features
there for logging purposes. Do you know any good alternative to this
product with similar/better capabilities? I cannot find one on the
market. For me and people to who i forward it is the feature list and
ease of use most important, on second place the logging capacity
(512MB/1GB++). It should be for CAN, but LIN is welcome as well.
Martin

Difficult.
But if an PC (or Laptop) with an GB++ hard disk can be an option :-)

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Martin S.Torch

2005-11-29 17:19:09 UTC

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Thank You Christian, I haven't seen this yet.
It looks way more interesting than Memorator, but the 4 MB buffer with
required transfer is way too small. Trigger settings looks as less
featured than CANcaseLog, and only three? But the telecontrol is
reason to ask about this product for maybe another use case.
Looks not better in compare and I am expecting higher price too.

Anyway thank You for the interesting link,
Martin

Hello,
http://www.ixxat.de/cancorder_en.html
Best regards
Christian Schlegel
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Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [CANLIST] Any logger alternatives to CANcaseXL log?
Dear Jim.
I looked at their Memorator some months ago, but it have much
less features, only one channel (only CAN too), no
replaceable piggies, and so on.
Price might be better, that is not so important.
Capacity of CANcaseLog is enough so far 2 GB (4 maybe one
day?), but some features missing to be satisfied. Of course
more is better.
I can find some much more expensive loggers, but they are not
easy to use and costs way too much.
Any idea is welcome!
Martin

Post by Jim DeVore
Martin-
I don't know your budget or capacity requirements, but have

you looked

Post by Jim DeVore
at this company?
http://www.kvaser.com/
-Jim

Post by Martin S. Torch
I fear not, than i need CAN interface and good logging

application

Post by Jim DeVore

Post by Martin S. Torch
- price (I have CANcaseLog for price of noname laptop!)
- size
- performance (slow reaction triggering on PC)
- power consumption
anyway thank You for hint :-)

Post by Martin S. Torch
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 7:39 PM

Subject: Re: [CANLIST] Any logger alternatives to CANcaseXL log?

Post by Martin S. Torch
Hello people,
I like the ease of use of Vector CANcaseXL log but

missing features

Post by Jim DeVore

Post by Martin S. Torch

Post by Martin S. Torch
there for logging purposes. Do you know any good alternative to
this product with similar/better capabilities? I cannot

find one on

Post by Jim DeVore

Post by Martin S. Torch

Post by Martin S. Torch
the market. For me and people to who i forward it is the feature
list and ease of use most important, on second place the logging
capacity (512MB/1GB++). It should be for CAN, but LIN is

welcome as well.

Post by Jim DeVore

Post by Martin S. Torch

Post by Martin S. Torch
Martin

Difficult.
But if an PC (or Laptop) with an GB++ hard disk can be an

option :-)

Post by Jim DeVore
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Thilo Schumann

2005-11-30 07:56:48 UTC

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Hi Martin,

May be you check out devices with an PC Card interface. Because PC Card
means CF Card and CF card are available with up to 4 GB or even
Microdrives with an CF card interface are available.

I don't know the products, so I don't know if they can make use of the
fulle memory available. But I know that the following companies are
having such products:
- http://rmcan.com/index.php?id=79&L=1
- http://www.ifm-electronic.com/ifmgb/web/dsfs!CR3101.html
-
http://www.csmproducts.com/html/e/produkte_komponenten/messgeraete_logger/can_bus_datenlogger/frm/unican_professional.htm

Best regards

Thilo

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Robert Boys

2005-11-30 21:05:12 UTC

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Hello

Another alternative is the Linux based Gryphon or S-CAT2 from Dearborn
Group. These are high end bus analyzers.

It has an internal CompactFlash card or you can use a PCMCIA FLASH card to
save a lot of CAN, J1850 or LIN messages. I have heard of people saving
gigabytes of frames like this. They just write a small program to copy the
CAN frames into the FLASH cards. Later - they get these out with a http
app, ftp or put the card into a reader.

There are plenty of filters and triggers to use. Gryphon is US$ 1,395+325
for dual CAN and $325 for LIN (ordered at time of sale).
S-CAT2 is US$1,595 with CAN + SW CAN. LIN optional.

The optional Hercules software will save 999,000 CAN frames on your PC.
$2,000

There is a lot of information on how to program the Gryphon and Scat2 on
the DG website. www.dgtech.com.

http://www.dgtech.com/product/gryphon/gryphon.php

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~dearborngroup/gryphon.pdf
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~dearborngroup/scat2.pdf

Bob Boys
on temporary assignment in Detroit, Michigan

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Hello people,

I like the ease of use of Vector CANcaseXL log but missing features
there for logging purposes. Do you know any good alternative to this
product with similar/better capabilities? I cannot find one on the
market. For me and people to who i forward it is the feature list and
ease of use most important, on second place the logging capacity
(512MB/1GB++). It should be for CAN, but LIN is welcome as well.

Martin

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cha_nb2

2005-12-01 10:30:26 UTC

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Hello Martin,

In france and in Italia, a lot of people (PSA, RSA, CNH, and car
supplier...) use the MUXlog of NSI.

I think it is a good competitor of the CANcaseXL Log.

The MUXlog have many memory capities (64Mo to 4Go) and the software
(English or french) is very easy to used.

Look at : www.nsi.fr

Christian Andagnotto

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MARC Erwan

2005-12-01 12:46:50 UTC

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Hello Christian,

Is it possible with MUXlog and its software to get on-line display of frames
or can we only analyze data off-line from the recorded file?
In some situation, it is a good thing to have such an independent data
logger (to use CANcaseXL or CANcardXL, you need a PC connected, don't you?).

In the data sheet FTC-MUX-0091E/V1.9 on web site, the size of compact flash
is until 2Go (Go is French word for Gbyte). Is it now upgraded up to 4Gb?

Erwan
;-)

Note that in English on the nsi.fr website in MuxLog product description,
the link to datasheet is named 'Fiche technique' (still in French)

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Hello Martin,

In france and in Italia, a lot of people (PSA, RSA, CNH, and car
supplier...) use the MUXlog of NSI.

I think it is a good competitor of the CANcaseXL Log.

The MUXlog have many memory capities (64Mo to 4Go) and the software
(English or french) is very easy to used.

Look at : www.nsi.fr

Christian Andagnotto

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Martin S.Torch

2005-12-01 16:57:39 UTC

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Erwan,
CANcaseXL log is like CANcaseXL but with SD card interface and works
with and without connected PC. It is same box also. It have many nice
features as standalone logger, but many (also those fundamental) I am
missing.

Greetings,
Martin
______________________________________________

Hello Christian,

Is it possible with MUXlog and its software to get on-line display of frames
or can we only analyze data off-line from the recorded file?
In some situation, it is a good thing to have such an independent data
logger (to use CANcaseXL or CANcardXL, you need a PC connected, don't you?).

In the data sheet FTC-MUX-0091E/V1.9 on web site, the size of compact flash
is until 2Go (Go is French word for Gbyte). Is it now upgraded up to 4Gb?

Erwan
;-)

Note that in English on the nsi.fr website in MuxLog product description,
the link to datasheet is named 'Fiche technique' (still in French)

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Objet : Re: [CANLIST] Any logger alternatives to CANcaseXL log?

Hello Martin,

In france and in Italia, a lot of people (PSA, RSA, CNH, and car
supplier...) use the MUXlog of NSI.

I think it is a good competitor of the CANcaseXL Log.

The MUXlog have many memory capities (64Mo to 4Go) and the software
(English or french) is very easy to used.

Look at : www.nsi.fr

Christian Andagnotto

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Peter Scholz

2005-12-02 09:14:13 UTC

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Post by Martin S.Torch
CANcaseXL log is like CANcaseXL but with SD card interface and works
with and without connected PC. It is same box also. It have many nice
features as standalone logger, but many (also those fundamental) I am
missing.

Hi Martin!

What about telling us your missing features finally?
If I haven't missed something, you did never tell. ( OK, one feature.
big memory :) )
How can a manufacturer create the right product for you if you keep your
requirements a secret?

Waiting for insights,
Peter

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Martin S.Torch

2005-12-01 16:53:59 UTC

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Christian,
Thank You for information,
but unfortunately on your website are not enough information
available, so i cannot compare. I do not see listed possible trigger
features, filters and so on, as well as user interface.
Price is also expected to be lot higher?
Anyway thank You,
Greetings,
Martin

__________________________
Hello Martin,

In france and in Italia, a lot of people (PSA, RSA, CNH, and car
supplier...) use the MUXlog of NSI.

I think it is a good competitor of the CANcaseXL Log.

The MUXlog have many memory capities (64Mo to 4Go) and the software
(English or french) is very easy to used.

Look at : www.nsi.fr

Christian Andagnotto

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MARC Erwan

2005-12-02 07:09:23 UTC

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OK, I had not seen the feature of CANcaseXL.
You should compare logger functions with those of MUXLog. I'm sure Christian
is able to answer you any question on this topic.
Regards
Erwan
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Objet : RE: [CANLIST] Any logger alternatives to CANcaseXL log?

Erwan,
CANcaseXL log is like CANcaseXL but with SD card interface and works
with and without connected PC. It is same box also. It have many nice
features as standalone logger, but many (also those fundamental) I am
missing.

Greetings,
Martin
______________________________________________

Hello Christian,

Is it possible with MUXlog and its software to get on-line display of frames
or can we only analyze data off-line from the recorded file?
In some situation, it is a good thing to have such an independent data
logger (to use CANcaseXL or CANcardXL, you need a PC connected, don't you?).

In the data sheet FTC-MUX-0091E/V1.9 on web site, the size of compact flash
is until 2Go (Go is French word for Gbyte). Is it now upgraded up to 4Gb?

Erwan
;-)

Note that in English on the nsi.fr website in MuxLog product description,
the link to datasheet is named 'Fiche technique' (still in French)

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Objet : Re: [CANLIST] Any logger alternatives to CANcaseXL log?

Hello Martin,

In france and in Italia, a lot of people (PSA, RSA, CNH, and car
supplier...) use the MUXlog of NSI.

I think it is a good competitor of the CANcaseXL Log.

The MUXlog have many memory capities (64Mo to 4Go) and the software
(English or french) is very easy to used.

Look at : www.nsi.fr

Christian Andagnotto

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Andagnotto Christian

2005-12-02 09:58:53 UTC

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Hello Martin,

The different trigger possibilities of MUXlog are the following :

- Simple trigger : Trigger Input, wake-up, CAN/LIN message, CAN/LIN error, Bus load(max value or nul), date and hour, push buttom (manual trigger)
- It is possible to mixte the simple trigger with logical operator (AND/OR)
- Complex trigger :
. Trig after a inhibit time (perfect to trap UCE reset)
. Trig after count
. Run after delay (Trig and wait and record)
. Trig with sequential conditions

About the filter, you could filter periodically (sample) the CAN/LIN messages (by Id) or you could inhibit several Id.

The MUXlog manages the sleep/wake-up mode on CAN LS and CAN HS.

All the configuration are done by a PC software.

Christian

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Objet : Re: [CANLIST] Any logger alternatives to CANcaseXL log?

Christian,
Thank You for information,
but unfortunately on your website are not enough information available, so i cannot compare. I do not see listed possible trigger features, filters and so on, as well as user interface.
Price is also expected to be lot higher?
Anyway thank You,
Greetings,
Martin

__________________________
Hello Martin,

In france and in Italia, a lot of people (PSA, RSA, CNH, and car
supplier...) use the MUXlog of NSI.

I think it is a good competitor of the CANcaseXL Log.

The MUXlog have many memory capities (64Mo to 4Go) and the software (English or french) is very easy to used.

Look at : www.nsi.fr

Christian Andagnotto

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Andagnotto Christian

2005-12-02 09:54:08 UTC

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Hello Erwan

The MUXlog haven't display.
When a customer would record and display some CAN messages, we propose him a MUXlog with an other product like the CAN display of Ipetronik.
It is a good solution, less bulky of a PC on knees. Generally the MUXlog stays on the car and the display is just used for punctual check.

Thank you for your notes (the 4Gb is ready now).

Christian

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Objet : RE: [CANLIST] Any logger alternatives to CANcaseXL log?

Hello Christian,

Is it possible with MUXlog and its software to get on-line display of frames or can we only analyze data off-line from the recorded file?
In some situation, it is a good thing to have such an independent data logger (to use CANcaseXL or CANcardXL, you need a PC connected, don't you?).

In the data sheet FTC-MUX-0091E/V1.9 on web site, the size of compact flash is until 2Go (Go is French word for Gbyte). Is it now upgraded up to 4Gb?

Erwan
;-)

Note that in English on the nsi.fr website in MuxLog product description, the link to datasheet is named 'Fiche technique' (still in French)

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Objet : Re: [CANLIST] Any logger alternatives to CANcaseXL log?

Hello Martin,

In france and in Italia, a lot of people (PSA, RSA, CNH, and car
supplier...) use the MUXlog of NSI.

I think it is a good competitor of the CANcaseXL Log.

The MUXlog have many memory capities (64Mo to 4Go) and the software (English or french) is very easy to used.

Look at : www.nsi.fr

Christian Andagnotto

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Martin S.Torch

2005-12-02 17:36:47 UTC

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Peter,
I wrote directly by email and also got contacted from Vector and looks
like that for many issues there will be solution soon.

Shortly said, was missing power management features, way how to stop
logging completely, dynamic filters, decreasing value trigger, CAN
signal sending, infinite logging, how to limit number of trigger
shots, time related triggers (this must work, because CANcaseXLog
knows the precise time somehow - files have correct datum and in text
file export is the time visible : year, month,day, hour, .minute,
second,miliseconds,...) and some visualisation of the states, in
cooperation with buzzer which is there.

Martin

___________________________________
Hi Martin!

What about telling us your missing features finally?
If I haven't missed something, you did never tell. ( OK, one feature.
big memory :) )
How can a manufacturer create the right product for you if you keep your
requirements a secret?

Waiting for insights,
Peter

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Martin S.Torch

2005-12-02 17:46:02 UTC

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Thank You Christian,
it looks that it is maybe less features than CANcaseXLog, but have
exactly some features we are missing in Vector, we will stay in touch
directly to discover how it is. I would prefer to stick on CANcaseXLog
if it will come with the features we need, but I am allways open to
learn about good products we might use.
Martin
_________________________________________
Hello Martin,

The different trigger possibilities of MUXlog are the following :

- Simple trigger : Trigger Input, wake-up, CAN/LIN message, CAN/LIN
error, Bus load(max value or nul), date and hour, push buttom (manual
trigger)
- It is possible to mixte the simple trigger with logical operator (AND/OR)
- Complex trigger :
. Trig after a inhibit time (perfect to trap UCE reset)
. Trig after count
. Run after delay (Trig and wait and record)
. Trig with sequential conditions

About the filter, you could filter periodically (sample) the CAN/LIN
messages (by Id) or you could inhibit several Id.

The MUXlog manages the sleep/wake-up mode on CAN LS and CAN HS.

All the configuration are done by a PC software.

Christian

-----Message d'origine-----
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[mailto:canlist-***@vistrem1.vector-informatik.de] De la part de
Martin S.Torch
Envoyé : jeudi 1 décembre 2005 17:54
À : ***@canlist.org
Objet : Re: [CANLIST] Any logger alternatives to CANcaseXL log?

Christian,
Thank You for information,
but unfortunately on your website are not enough information
available, so i cannot compare. I do not see listed possible trigger
features, filters and so on, as well as user interface.
Price is also expected to be lot higher?
Anyway thank You,
Greetings,
Martin

__________________________
Hello Martin,

In france and in Italia, a lot of people (PSA, RSA, CNH, and car
supplier...) use the MUXlog of NSI.

I think it is a good competitor of the CANcaseXL Log.

The MUXlog have many memory capities (64Mo to 4Go) and the software
(English or french) is very easy to used.

Look at : www.nsi.fr

Christian Andagnotto

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